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Pretentious ass scientist exploits religious people for cheap laughs - again
News Type: Other — Seeded on Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:48 AM EST
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I know these guys are supposed to be a science site but their number one guy never writes about science; it's just him knocking religion every day, which is fine since that's why they pay him, but it would be nice if he would write more than a sentence about biology once in a while.
The summary is mine because it's just him making fun of a board game about Evolution versus Intelligent Design and he isn't all that funny. This kind of thing probably adds to the credibility of intelligent design. If hate-filled clowns like this are against it, the ID people must have something going for them.
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{"commentId":449974,"authorDomain":"scientificblog"}
I'm wrong. He doesn't just make fun of religious people. He makes fun of Republicans too. I guess they're the same thing. That would explain why Senator Clinton started wearing a cross in photo ops, right? For the crossover votes.
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#1 - Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:53 AM EST{"commentId":450203,"authorDomain":"vikibabbles"}
I think you wrote more in your summary and comment than he did in the entire article, unless I missed something, which is certainly possible.
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{"commentId":450396,"authorDomain":"scientificblog"}
I guess I did, yeah, but he was seeding an article from another anti-religious place about the game and - since he's the most popular scientist over there - it gave all of his fanboys a chance to tee off as well.
I'm not religious but I am anti-bigot and this guy uses science to mask plain old intolerance.
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{"commentId":450585,"authorDomain":"super-structure"}
So, you can write and blog about whatever topics you choose, but Dr. Myers should only stick to "science?" Pot/Kettle/Black, in my opinion. It's a blog and they apparently pay him to write about whatever he wishes to write about. In this particular case, it's a board game. Further, he isn't masking it as science and makes no claims to that this is science. The site has plenty of political and cultural commentary and I don't see why Myers should have to write what you tell him to. Does your Science Blog site have actual science somewhere that I missed?
As for your choice in title, I've reported it as a violation of the CoH.
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#2 - Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:28 PM EST{"commentId":450600,"authorDomain":"scientificblog"}
Does your Science Blog site have actual science somewhere that I missed?
I think judging by the name "Science And Supermodels" you can guess it doesn't claim to be serious. Scienceblogs.com does. And he is their top guy - unfortunately he is their top guy because a lot of his writing is diatribes about politics and religion.
I understand they are appealling to their target market - so, in that sense, they should be thanking me for the free publicity.
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{"commentId":450606,"authorDomain":"vikibabbles"}
Truthfully, Cash, I did think the title was, at the very least, a bit misleading or misinformative. I mean, what is an Ass Scientist? Who would want to study asses?
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#3 - Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:36 PM EST{"commentId":450656,"authorDomain":"munzilla"}
It depends on the types of asses I'd be studying.
And I thought the headline was funny, Cash.
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{"commentId":450673,"authorDomain":"super-structure"}
4. Keep your headlines accurate and free of sensationalistic language.
So, because Cash is a jokester we can all just look the other way when he violates the terms we all agreed to on this site? Sorry if it may seem like I don't have much of a sense humor about this, but this isn't the kind of site where that language flies in the headline, funny or not. This got seeded under "Science," not humor, etc. Which is ironic given Cash's complaint that Myers doesn't write about enough science (on another site, which doesn't have to live by our rules here).
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{"commentId":450678,"authorDomain":"munzilla"}
I wasn't commenting about whether or not you were in the wrong for reporting the headline. I just said that I thought it was funny.
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{"commentId":450681,"authorDomain":"scientificblog"}
Okay, would 'pretentious scientist' without 'ass' get the point across?
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{"commentId":450755,"authorDomain":"vikibabbles"}
Jason, you do have a point, certainly. I didn't mean to dismiss it by making snarky, sarcastic comments about ass scientists. I was just trying to lighten the mood. I think I missed the boat.
Cash, maybe removing said 'ass' would be helpful to you in making your point, yes.
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{"commentId":450784,"authorDomain":"scientificblog"}
'pretentious' is not as funny as 'pretentious ass' ... maybe 'hate-filled bigot scientist' would get the same point across? If I can't be funny I at least want to be accurate.
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{"commentId":450802,"authorDomain":"vikibabbles"}
Ooh, I like that. Hate-filled Bigot Scientist Exploits Religious People for Cheap Laughs. That's appropriate. Or, Scientist Blogger Bails on Science to Become Bad Comedian, Cracking Jokes that have already been made 100 Million Times. That'd probably be too long.
I really need to get back to work.
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{"commentId":450810,"authorDomain":"munzilla"}
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{"commentId":450863,"authorDomain":"vikibabbles"}
lol Munzilla. That's a good one!
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{"commentId":450864,"authorDomain":"scientificblog"}
DING! There is our winner!
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{"commentId":450743,"authorDomain":"ajzzz"}
This kind of thing probably adds to the credibility of intelligent design. If hate-filled clowns like this are against it, the ID people must have something going for them.
I see they're winning you round to the young earth, intelligent design, fake fossils, fake light from far off galaxies argument.
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- 1 vote
#4 - Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:29 PM EST{"commentId":450778,"authorDomain":"scientificblog"}
AJ, of course not. Have you been won over by the 'lump everyone into ridiculous science if they don't agree with you' argument?
I hope you don't equate my tolerance and openmindedness with stupidity. I am not this Phatyngula guy, after all.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":450820,"authorDomain":"ajzzz"}
Disagree with you on what?
If you're really openminded to theories contradicting gravity, then perhaps you should stay away from anything even resembling a cliff. If you're openminded to theories contradicting evolution, then perhaps when you get a virus, you should seek a prayer healer, because the vaccine you're getting pretty much relies on it. Not many people reject these concepts on the principle of belief, and that's because most people aren't stupid.
You don't seem that tolerant to me, and you seem to hold this person to higher standards than yourself. My tolerance allows for mocking, and for people doing or believing in anything as long as it doesn't directly effect me. People will find it in words regardless of the intent of the speaker.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":450862,"authorDomain":"scientificblog"}
You don't seem that tolerant to me
Because I took a stand against someone blatantly ridiculing religious people, I am the intolerant person? I took a stand against racism yesterday ... does that make me a racist too?
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- 1 vote
#5 - Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:25 PM EST{"commentId":450902,"authorDomain":"ajzzz"}
Because I took a stand against someone blatantly ridiculing religious people, I am the intolerant person?
Yes.
I took a stand against racism yesterday ... does that make me a racist too?
Did you form a nationalist group with racist principles to take a stand against racism?
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{"commentId":450912,"authorDomain":"scientificblog"}
So my little article griping about the intolerance of a guy who has 900,000 readers a month and uses it as a bully pulpit against religious people is equivalent intolerance to you?
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":450946,"authorDomain":"ajzzz"}
Do you think the number of readers counts, or whether you're criticizing religious people or one guy?
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{"commentId":450964,"authorDomain":"scientificblog"}
Criticizing the conduct of a person is just that - and it's what I did. Making global pronouncements against a race, creed or religion is the definition of intolerance - that's what he does continually.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":450996,"authorDomain":"ajzzz"}
Criticizing religion or creeds is not the same as criticizing a "race". You're really going to have to be much more specific. As far as intolerance goes, you're obviously not willing to respect his beliefs or opinions, even if he is intolerant of others.
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{"commentId":451098,"authorDomain":"scientificblog"}
So if you discriminate against a religion, it is not intolerance or prejudice?
You are just making up stuff as you go, right?
{"commentId":451098,"threadId":"64214","contentId":"498973","authorDomain":"scientificblog"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":451114,"authorDomain":"ajzzz"}
You're throwing around words like discriminate, intolerance, and prejudice. He's not rounding up the religious and killing them like in Stalinism, or restricting them in anyway like those words suggest. Show me the discrimination or the prejudice, and as far as intolerance goes, as long as it's not harassment, then it's just criticism, and that's fine with me. Religion and beliefs shouldn't be protected, because nothing else is, not even science backed by evidence.
You're just making up this stuff as you go.
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{"commentId":452437,"authorDomain":"scientificblog"}
AJ, so now you think intolerance only happens when you kill people? If a black person is treated differently, that isn't discrimination? Discrimination is treating someone differently because of religion, race, etc. That IS the definition of discrimination ... not "if I don't kill people and just make fun of them all of the time, I don't show intolerance or discrimination." Intolerance is seeing no value in an entire group of people because of experience with a few who share a characteristic.
Do you seriously believe if he was looking at the resume of a research candidate and saw 'active in XYZ church' the candidate would get a fair chance? And hearing ridicule and condescension of religion in a lab all day wouldn't be a hostile work environment?
I am baffled why you would spend so much time defending the guy.
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{"commentId":452504,"authorDomain":"ajzzz"}
Discrimination is treating someone differently. Have you got a problem with people making fun of other people? Discrimination can also mean acting on prejudice, show me in the seed where this is the case. You're using the general meaning of the word, when in the context people tend to use a specific meaning.
Intolerance implies he's stopping them believing the false things he's making fun of them for.
Do you seriously believe if he was looking at the resume of a research candidate and saw 'active in XYZ church' the candidate would get a fair chance?
In this hypothetical, is there anything this XYZ church believes in or does that would effect the candidates work?
And hearing ridicule and condescension of religion in a lab all day wouldn't be a hostile work environment?
As long as it's not personally directed at the candidate, and it's not meant to insult the candidate, then it would be be up to the candidate whether it was a hostile work enviroment or not. What if they were ridiculing something political instead?
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{"commentId":452558,"authorDomain":"scientificblog"}
AJ, you don't get to choose whether people are discriminated or not based on whether or not you agree with their positions. If someone treats a religion, a race or a color differently because of those factors, it is discrimination. If someone lumps them all together and incites hatred and ridicule of them, it is intolerance. It's that simple.
You can continue to defend bigotry ... I am cool with it and I know you are making an academic point rather than actually being a bigot yourself ( though your willingness to defend people who engage in witch hunts against religious people makes that suspect ) but you aren't going to gain much traction.
If you simply want to find people to agree with you, go to scienceblogs.com. Anyone who tried the "gosh, maybe all religious people aren't stupid" argument was drummed out of there a long time ago so you won't find any opposition.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":452615,"authorDomain":"ajzzz"}
If someone treats a religion, a race or a color differently because of those factors, it is discrimination.
And if people are being foolish, they get ridiculed, no discrimination in that. You're trying to make religion a special case, it is not.
If someone lumps them all together and incites hatred and ridicule of them, it is intolerance. It's that simple.
That's true, the article you seed however, does not incite hatred or lump them all together.
I haven't been to scienceblogs.com accept to read the article you seeded, and don't intend to unless it is a source of a seed again. It is an academic point, I don't think it's a case of bigotry, I'm only basing this on the article I have read, which seemed specific to me.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":451009,"authorDomain":"arewethereyet"}
{"commentId":451127,"authorDomain":"spiffie"}
but it would be nice if he would write more than a sentence about biology once in a while.
Admittedly, it is more "once in a while" than it used to be when his blog was on its own domain, but he still squeezes out the occasional biology article. Here are a few recent ones:
Superclades of the Cambrian (12/27/06) Doushantuo embryos dethroned? (12/23/06) This one is for the bearded mo-bio types out there (12/22/06)
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- 2 votes
#7 - Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:49 PM EST{"commentId":452444,"authorDomain":"scientificblog"}
Spiffie, I am sure David Duke or the Klu Klux Klan or even that guy running Iran puts out something that might have value once in a while. This doesn't mean I want to wade through their other stuff to get it either.
Reading anything of his is endorsing his intolerance at this point. He has a million people on scienceblogs.com that do that now, so she doesn't need me. I can read a lot of worthwhile stuff from biologists who aren't filled with prejudice.
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{"commentId":474451,"authorDomain":"darwinoid"}
>Spiffie, I am sure David Duke or the Klu Klux Klan or even that guy running Iran puts out something that might have value once in a while. This doesn't mean I want to wade through their other stuff to get it either.
So let me get this straight ... someone is forcing you to "wade through" Pharyngula?
You don't have to read it, you know. Sheech!
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